Now that the campaign is over, we’re hearing more about the Sarah Palin fiasco. Fox News has the goods – Sarah Palin didn’t know that Africa was a continent. She thought it was a country!
How many Republicans will defend her now that the election is over?
Country/Continent-what’s the difference?
You say potato… 
I saw this clip in real time
I recently re-watched the 1960 Nixon Kennedy third Presidential debate. I was astonished at how intelligent the debaters were relative to today. No talk of Joe Six Pack, deep examination of the issues….
we have been dumbed down so very much. The Palin choice iwas scarey and revealed a real flaw in McCain: impulsiveness. I am glad that McCain’s staff have decided to leak these embarrasing facts about Palin, let’s hope she never is able to get another national campaign off the ground.
Guys, guys, guys…shhhhhhhhhh. Don’t speak ill of Palin.
I wrote on this blog not too long ago, when McCain was +2 riding the Palin/RNC surge (and Nick/SRG was gloating about how Dems were “scared of her”) that as a Democrat I loved the Palin pick because it totally undercut the experience argument that was McCain’s only advantage this cycle.
I believe she ultimately was a drag on the ticket, though many conservatives believe that the economy is the reason that McCain went from +2 to -8. (Oh no, it’s not conservative thinking or policy that is causing people to flee the party, it has to be extraneous factors that are out of our control!) Her negatives jumped during that same span and it was fairly obvious that as moderate women got to know her, they didn’t like her very much.
Over the last week or so, I heard a lot of Palin 2012 talk, and I love it. It would be a Democrat’s wet dream to run against her.
Unfortunately, the finger pointing has begun and it looks like the proper amount of blame is being placed at her feet. Though, ultimately, it is McCain’s fault for picking her in the first place. How can you criticize her lack of knowledge when you’re the one putting her on the ticket? What does that say about you?
Watch the right feed on themselves as the blame game continues. Who is going to lead the GOP out of the mess that they’ve created?
Palin in 2012!!!
Tall,
The fear I was speaking of was not because of her intelligence, accomplishments, attractiveness, or any of that. The fear I was speaking about was related to her staunch conservative position. The conservative base desperately wants a strong conservative candidate and the left HATES and fears conservative principles.
In retrospect, I’m glad John did not win. He is far from what I consider an ideal candidate and he would have made it much more difficult for a true conservative to rise and take control of-at least- the Executive Branch, and ideally all 3 branches of government. We did not lose because we were too far right– we lost because we went too far LEFT as the Republican Party. The party as it stands now is NOT what conservatives want and that is why we lost.
Out of Carter came Reagan– to me, Obama looks like a Carter- but in much more dangerous times. I’m hoping out of Obama we get another Reagan after 4 years- again, that’s if we survive.
Nick, McCain lost for a host of reasons, but I don’t see how being too far left was one of them. If the McCain/Palin ticket was too far left, they would’ve picked up much more of the independent vote. Palin pulled the ticket to an extreme that a lot of us were uncomfortable with. She energized your base, sure, but she alienated a lot of the people in the middle and, even more so, the Hillary democrats who were on the fence after the primaries.
Nick, what is conservative about wanting to muck with the Constitution, expand the job of vice-president, and institute amendments which allow the government into the womb? Isn’t this just more government involvement that we do not need?
I have respect for the conservative idealism in it’s orthodox incarnation, however, Palin’s appeal was to a fanatical religious extreme which represents, at best, a minority of Americans who would have us fighting religious wars and criminalizing rape victims.
Sound like anyone…anywhere else?
Nick – I hope for the country’s sake that you’re correct, that the GOP pulls itself further to the right. Then Obama won’t have any problem winning in 2012. (By the way, I don’t even know if it was you that said that Dems should be afraid of Palin. At the time, I think mine was a minority position for a Democrat – to welcome that choice.)
It’s funny how the conservatives I know think that McCain is a moderate because that’s how he acted for his entire career up until 2002 or so. Then he took (from my perspective) a BIG step or two to the right, supporting the neocon philosophy and Bush’s “irresponsible” (as he called them initially) tax cuts. Prior to 2002 he was pretty wishy washy on Roe vs. Wade, but the last six years he’s been saying he thinks it should be overturned. McCain of 2008 wasn’t too moderate for the base, the base just didn’t believe that ’08 McCain was the real McCain.
How did he win the nomination, anyway?
Ahhh SP – the gift that just keeps on giving. I love reading about SP being a force in 2012. If this is the case, we should be at 80 Democratic senators by 2012!!
Word is already out that this information on Sarah is false– some disgruntled campaign worker putting this crap out. As I’ve said many times things we hear on the “news” we’ll never know how much of it is fabricated, how much is colored by the reporters own ideas and biases or how much of it is just outright lies. When I first heard the story I found it hard to believe she didn’t know what Africa was (just as I found it hard to believe Obamas birth certificate wasn’t kosher).
Shelly, I don’t know what you’re talking about “expand vp powers,” but I do know there isn’t one conservative alive that gives one twit about your precious womb– bounce it on the floor and shoot it through a hoop for all we care. The person growing in there is not YOU and that is a completely different matter. You should not be able to dictated what happens to that life and don’t give me any bs about rape and incest– the 50 million abortions that have happened since 1973 are not from rape or incest (at least 99.9% are not).
Bravo Nick. The only voice of reason here.
Funny, that’s Nick’s nickname around here: the Great Voice of Reason.
Shelly was talking about Palin’s statements about how she’d like to expand the power of the VP. She also said that the VP is heavily involved in working with Congress on legislation.
She proved in the Gibson and Couric interviews that she has no grasp of foreign affairs. To call her a nitwit is crude, but she proved she is something of a nitwit by not properly preparing for those important parts of the campaign. Plus, I just don’t think she has the intellectual curiosity to study the world on her own. In order for her to look somewhat capable (debate, RNC speech) she has to be told exactly what to say.
it is just unbelievable to me that a complete and utter moron like Palin came so close to the White House.
Study history you conservatives. If you really dig into details you will find that Reagan and Nixon believed in a very strong role for Government.
That’s the irony. It was Reagan’s brilliant selling of conservative principles, that started an entire generation of new conservatives, who joined the movement on the theme of less government.
That somehow morphed, via religion, into “almost no government” but the fact is that Reagan, Nixon, Bush Sr. were all traditional conservatives, that knew when to use the central government and did so often. Dubya was the first true believer in no government, and look at the fucking mess he got us in.
You guys that believe that there is no space for government to get involved in almost anything are blindly going against any logic because you’re swept away by a stupid but effective marketing gimmick that tells you that your life would somehow be better if the government stopped screwing it up. It’s just a con job
Go to youtube and type in “Nixon Kennedy debate” and watch a little bit. Christ Jesus, if Nixon were running today, Nick would call him a God damned communist.
Thank God Obama won, enough people woke up!
Tim, thanks for the support, and Jamey– ty too, any mockery from the left is a badge of honor-BUT- your ad hominem attack on me says much more about your intellectual capacity to have a debate then it does about my beliefs. For example, I would never EVER say they way you frame your arguments is like a middle schooler with no depth of thought, only gut reflexive feeling. That would be completely inappropriate (although true
) but it would debase me, and I wouldn’t go that low! Never!
And JP,-
I’ll leave you this quote from Reagan– AGAIN–
“The 9 scariest in the English language are – I’m here from the government and I’m here to help.”
I think you’re a bit factually challenged there.
Wow Nick, that’s what I get for giving you some good-natured ribbing, huh? Maybe I should’ve used one of those cute little smiley faces at the end of my joke like you always do.
I know you think all liberals are pie-eyed idealists who “don’t understand how the world works.” I, in turn, have come to realize that a lot of conservatives are narrow-minded, selfish and greedy snobs who believe that anyone in need of help is lazy, stupid or both.
It’s true that I tend to think with my heart more than my head. It sure beats approaching every issue from a stubbornly ideological standpoint and abandoning independent thought altogether. Besides, I find my heart often has better instincts. Maybe if conservatives weren’t so arrogant and actually thought with their hearts every so often, they wouldn’t have gotten trounced on Tuesday.
A lot of accuracy in your 2nd paragraph. If your definition of narrow-minded means an absolute acknowledgment of the differences between right and wrong, and if your definition of greedy is keeping the wealth that one accumulates though hard work, then I’m guilty as charged.
Again– with the “arrogant” name calling– that doesn’t help your case- and if your “heart instincts” are better than your logical thought…um, never mind
Sorry for the offensive smiley face!
And, finally, the “trouncing” as you described re the election— a big push over the top for BO were college kids who know nothing about nothing– they too think with their heart (if they think at all). Wait till they enter the world and see a lot of their income going to taxes, wait till they start working and HAVE to join a union they don’t agree with– wait till they see what the real world is- they’ll wake up and BO’s reign will be short lived.
By narrow-minded, I mean your firm belief that you’re right, everyone else is wrong, and those who disagree with you are naive fools.
“…a big push over the top for BO were college kids who know nothing about nothing…”
Is this your way of proving that you’re not arrogant?
“…wait till they see what the real world is…”
I appreciate you proving my point almost verbatim. Conservatives understand the “real world” better than anyone, and they know what’s best for everyone. I’m so grateful for the wisdom of you and your cohorts, Nick.
Well, then, by your own definition YOU must be narrow minded because YOU believe you’re right and everyone is wrong!
I’ve been a preceptor for many college kids, and believe me THEY KNOW NOTHING! It’ from personal experience, by liberal friend!
And consider my wisdom to you as a gift….It’s been my pleasure!
Sorry, but I’ve conceded plenty of points on this blog, I’ve stated several times that I appreciate and support many of the core conservative values, and I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. I’ve never seen you concede anything. In fact, my relative inexperience in this arena means that I’m not firmly rooted in any particular ideology, whereas you resort to cramming all of the conservative talking points down people’s throats.
Fortunately, the majority of this country soundly rejected those talking points this week, but you go right on dismissing that fact and believing that you know better than everyone else.
Nick: That Reagan quote you cite is a perfect example of Reagan’s brilliant salesmanship. it’s just BS that you conservatives fawn over wihtout looking at the facts. Fact is that Reagan raised taxes by $90,000,000 in 1982 when he got nervous about deficits the government was racking up. Fact is that Reagan used the government to impose import quotas on Japanese cars when he got nervous about the state of the US car industry. These are very traditional uses of “more government” and there are others. Reagan was also a strong defender of Social Security and Medicare
Don’t get me wrong, I think Reagan was one of our best presidents, but I think so also because I realise the man was not a zealot. He had clear ideas about the role of government, don’t forget, Reagan was a Democrat and supporter of FDR and the new deal. It wasn’t until nearly 1960 that he became a Republican.
All you conservatives brainlessly running around talking less government as if government has “no role” are just demonstrating your superficiality and you underline it ever more by your lack of willingness to admit that Sarah Palin is symptom of this exact problem.
I guess you could say that many conservatives are in fact examples of the dramatic dumbing down of America. Don’t think, just chant the mantra of less government.
You description of “salesmanship” sounds a lot like what Barry did through the whole campaign- lets analyze:
-No real accomplishment to speak of-NONE
-Most of his time “serving” was spent campaigning
-He ran on a platform of “change” and pics a hard
core Washington insider
-At least questionable relationships-many
-Some pretty big flubs “guns and bible quote”
being one.
-Some VERY big flubs from old Joey
-A constantly changing level of who is going
end up paying more taxes– 250,200,150,120k.
Now with all that going against him, he was able to craft the Bush=McCain, bad capitalist rich people class warfare bs, and he was able to sway mindless college kids and the perennial chunk of the population that can never seem to make it to vote for him– and you call conservatives dumbed down? Now he had plenty of help from the “news,” and Hollywood idiots-but still, conservatives dumbed down?
Interesting.
Watch the crowds when he speaks- he’s a cult leader–we’ll just see what the next 4 years brings, he’s already hedging on some of his promises, we’ll see what he does, but I guarantee he’ll get a complete pass from the press.
Jamey-
I’m not “cramming” anything anywhere– you’re a might too sensitive.
This blog reports from the left and that’s fine- I’m just stating what the other side thinks- you need to toughen up, bud.
Would you rather have other lefties agreeing with every post and comment here? That sounds boring to me (and you wouldn’t learn anything)
(I omitted the smiley faces for you this time)
JP, let’s not forget that Gerald Ford created the Earned Income Tax Credit and Reagan greatly expanded it in 1986. So not only did Reagan believe in some form of government intervention as you’ve pointed out, but he also (gasp) redistributed wealth.
And Nick, I don’t need to “toughen up,” but perhaps I should lower my expectations a bit. I really have been stunned by the amount of disdain I’ve witnessed toward any sort of liberal thought or ideals, this attitude of (as I’ve said before) “I’m right, you’re wrong, and you’re an idiot for believing what you believe.” It sounds funny, but I have very little tolerance for intolerance, and I know it shines through on this blog. So be it — that’s who I am.
But I’ve got no problem hearing the other side’s argument. As a matter of fact, I welcome it as a unique learning opportunity. My issue with the methods I’ve witnessed from so many conservatives (and not just on this blog) goes along with JP’s points on this thread. You mentioned several comments ago that my arguments have “no depth of thought,” but all I’ve really seen you do here is recite all of these conservative talking points about less government, lower taxes and liberalism=socialism over and over again. That is where my “narrow-minded” comment comes from, because many conservatives are so rooted in their ideology that they seem to have very little use for independent thought and objectivity.
As nothing more than a casual observer before this election, I always assumed that it was “this is what I believe so I’m a conservative or liberal.” Instead, it seems many people have it backwards: “I’m a conservative or liberal so this is what I believe.” Maybe I should just get used to that.
Do you all really think Biden is a qualified choice for VP? You’ve got to be kidding me. If SP made half the ridiculous remarks biden did she would have been crucified in the press. Oh scratch that, she was. The vast majority being proven malicious fabrications.
Biden spoke of a restaurant called Katie’s where he supposedly spends a lot of time. Katie’s restaurant closed 20 years ago.
Biden said: “When we kicked…along with France…we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon.” Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebanon. He also stated, “I said and Barack said, Move NATO forces in there.” ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Lebanon is not a NATO country, and a NATO country had not been attacked by Lebanon.
Biden is qualified on Foreign policy? Right…
Biden also denied that Obama ever said he would sit down with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Biden might have remembered that debate since he was there. Obama’s own Web site says: “Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran “WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS”
Biden smugly cited Article I of the Constitution as proof that the VP “works in the executive branch” and has “no authority relative to the Congress.” Article II, not I, describes the executive branch. Biden said The VP has no authority relative to Congress, apart from breaking ties? The Constitution makes makes the VP, president of the senate in Article I. Last I heard Biden was a member of the Senate for how long? WOW
Biden also has stated that “John McCain voted against a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty that EVERY Republican has supported.” The last nuclear test ban treaty the Senate voted on was signed by Clinton. Forty-nine Republicans voted against the treaty; only four voted for it. The treaty Biden says “every Republican has supported.”
Too many references to site.
And you were afraid SP was a heart beat away from the presidency?
Jamey,
Reagan is one of the greatest presidents ever. He had to make someconcessions with a democratic congress and the EITC was one of them.
He won 2 land slide victories for a reason. Bush Senior won a landslide victory riding on Reagan’s Presidency. The vast majority of Americans believed they were doing better in every facet of life under Reagan. Bush senior unfortunately screwed up and allowed taxes to increase, again a Dem Idea. Conservatives and the like consequently did not support him and he lost to Clinton.
JP your last post is pretty laughable. Reagan’s tax increase in “82″ is an argument for what? Larger government? WOW that’s a stretch. The over all tax cuts he made, which were some of the biggest in history, saved this country financially evan with a spend-thrift Dem legislative branch. He led with conservative ideals and vetoed billions in liberal spending. Unlike what Pres. Bush II did.
Looking after the economic security of Americans by imposing auto import quotas is a duty of government which has nothing to do with increasing it’s size. Our auto industry is unfairly taxed and has imposed quotas by other nations. He was trying to make the market “more fair”. Much more still needs to be done in this area, but lobbyists representing other countries are very persuasive monetarily. Consequently, our auto industry still competes in an unfair environment and is dying.
Bush II is not a conservative. McCain sure as hell, is not a conservative. (Compared to the leftist radicals Obama, Pelosi, Ried, schumer and the man who dropped the ball on the mortgage industry B. Franks) he may appear conservative, but he’s not even close. The majority of republicans in the legislature under Bush II were not conservatives.
Conservatives believe Americans can do and achieve for themselves with hard work and the governments job is to stay out of the way. Conservatives believe in self responsibility. Liberals believe Americans are too stupid and can only get ahead with the aid and oversight of the nanny state. Yes, we believe the government has a role but the nanny state isn’t working here or overseas and will never work. The US is the richest, most powerful and most generous country because we are not like France, Canada or a host of others.
Obama and a liberal congress are going to give us a LOT MORE of what hasn’t worked under Bush II or anyone else. What do you call doing the same thing and expecting a different result? America is already too far off the beaten path. Change is what we need, but not an increase in what we’re already getting.
Nobody has the balls to do what is truly needed. The budget needs to be severely cut along with taxes. I won’t go into what I would cut…too long for this forum.
MF: I was just making the point that Reagan was not nearly the less government zealot that conservativism has morphed into today. In 2008, a conservative would be crucified for signing any tax increase. Reagan did it and we don’t even talk about it.
To cover America’s needs, fiscally, sometimes you go into debt and sometimes you have to raise taxes. We won’t be able to go on forever issuing debt, the Chinese cannot afford it. Obama’s tax increase leaves out the middle class and that’s the fairest thing to do.
As for Joe Biden vs Sarah Palin, our democracy has spoken. Obama Biden needed one more electoral vote than McCain Palin. They got nearly 200, not to mention nearly 8,000,000 more votes. Until we get that fascist system Nick is yearning for, you guys are just gonna have to accept that the verdict is in.
MF, Biden certainly lived up to his reputation as a gaffe machine. It got to the point where every time I saw him on TV speaking in front of a crowd, I braced myself for another blunder. I think the difference was, Biden at least had a long track record to point to. Palin’s track record was thin at best, so her mistakes only added to the perception that she was in way over her head.
As for how the media handled her, I admit that some people may have gotten carried away. However, as someone with a journalism degree, I know that you’re taught as a journalist to follow the story, and as soon as Palin was selected she became the story, at least on the republican side. Who was this woman? Why did McCain choose her? Is she even qualified? The media ran with those angles, and it didn’t end well for Palin. (Incidentally, I think this “follow the story” mentality also contributed somewhat to the media’s handling of Obama. I know conservatives love to say the media was “in the bag” for Obama, but when it became clear that he may actually have a chance of emerging from the democratic primaries, he too became “the story” and the media reacted accordingly.)
As for your points on Reagan, it would be foolish to argue with your assertion that he was one of our greatest presidents. Your claim that the EITC was “a concession,” however, isn’t very accurate. Ed Rollins, one of Reagan’s advisers, said on CNN a few weeks ago that the EITC was one of the programs that Reagan was most proud of. I can’t find the exact quote but I remember being surprised when Rollins said it.
My point isn’t to claim that Reagan was anything but a staunch conservative. Instead, it’s an example of someone who understood that this isn’t an either/or situation. You said:
“Conservatives believe Americans can do and achieve for themselves with hard work and the governments job is to stay out of the way. Conservatives believe in self responsibility. Liberals believe Americans are too stupid and can only get ahead with the aid and oversight of the nanny state.”
So it’s either “you’re a conservative so you believe this,” or “you’re a liberal so you believe that”? Sorry, but I don’t buy that. You consider me a liberal, but I certainly don’t see things the way you laid them out. Obama often spoke passionately about self reliance and personal responsibility. He also said he’s a firm believer in the free market system. But to you and Nick, he’s a socialist. I know I personally hope and believe that Obama will govern from the center, and I bet JP, G and Tall Man feel the same way.
JP has gone from gelato and espresso to schrooms and hash I think.
Fascist – Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. …
Sound more like what you are yearning for- how do you come up with this stuff?
Unfortunately you are correct in one aspect of your post- we do have to accept our defeat- but don’t kid yourself, conservatism is not dead-despite that 8 million person gap in votes. He still got close to 58 million votes. Obama enjoyed a financial collapse and the media’s hammering of Palin close to the end of campaigning, he enjoyed a very unpopular war time president and still a HUGE portion of the voting block chose McCain. At any other time, BO would have got crushed.
We’ll regroup and come back stronger than ever.
MF – comparing Biden and Palin is silly. Gaffes are not the issue. Biden knows practically every world leader and knows the issues. You might not agree with him, bu he has knowledge of te issues.
Palin has never demontrated any knowledge of national issues. She di not conduct a single news conference. Her interviews were a disaster. Her gffes are more important because she has nothing to fall back on.
As for Biden, heshould still be open to criticism, but not by comparn him to Palin. Other experienced people like Cheney and Rumsfeld made huge mistakes, so Biden may not be perfect.
Republicans need to move beyond Palin. She’s a joke.
Nick, I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that conservatism is dead. But it’s clear that some kind of recalibration is at hand for your party.
Nick: You are a fascist every bit as much as I am a socialist or communist. Don’t get upset when I call you names, you started it In any case, a fascist is someone from the extreme political right according to Websters and it fits perfectly with your viewpoint. You want everyone to subordinate to the interests of the party, which in your case is to abandon all your constituents.
Disclaimer: This is a no smiley faces post.
Comrade (in a thick Lenin type accent),
I am now convinced it is the hash (maybe with a bit of meth) that you are under the spell of.
But fear not, comrade, our new and almighty leader here on the the western front will move quickly to decriminalize this herb. The local pharmacies have begun to clear shelves so the people of our glorious land can enjoy the same euphoric feelings that you enjoy in Europe.
And, finally, Comrade- I will begin work for government soon, so I may be able to keep more of the grain that I grow to feed my family- for the winters here in the Burgh of Pitts are mighty cold and we must have food to survive. I will no longer work for Big (evil) Pharma– I have seen the light.
Sincerely,
Your Working Comrade in the west.
Nick: Glad you’ve seen the light. Thanks to this post, you may avoid the Gulag.
Nick – It’s funny to hear you try to speak with authority about the election and what would have happened under different circumstances. This, coming from the guy who said over and over and over that Obama would not win the election. He went on to win by 6.5%.
Gerardo,
I hear you. Is Palin qualified? Besides having gone through a top college he won’t release the records to, is Obama really qualified? I don’t think so. Would Palin have been my choice? No. But what really bites is the unfair thrashing she took in the media. Several university studies have confirmed the biased media. 8 to 1 pro Obama and Biden. When Bush ran against Kerry it was only 3 -1 pro Kerry.
Jamey,
Again, as I’ve said before both tickets are so lacking in qualifications it boggles my mind.
My biggest fear is that history is repeating itself with this recession. And unfortunately the one with the worst possible record and plan, won. The great depression would never have been if they would have stop meddling in the economy and allowed the markets to adjust themselves. 10 years prior to the Great depression we had a similar instance and the government didn’t try to artificially bandage the economy. They allowed the cards to fall where they might and went forward. Everything fiscally got better in less than 2 years. These bailouts are a farce, and BO is going to throw more money away we don’t have.
His record, associates and now coworkers are the most left in the history of this government without the opposition that Clinton had. I hope you are all right and we are headed for the better, but spending more is not the answer. Spending is not the answer! Bush allowed spending to the detriment of the country. We need to stop the spending. This will not happen in an Obama, Pelosi government. Even though I supported another candidate pre-primary, I voted for McCain because the spending wouldn’t have been as bad.
By the way, it’s what you believe that makes you either more liberal or more conservative. Each has their own basic ideals.
By the way, this Blog has ben highly entertaining and on some level, educational. I appreciate all the opinions and arguements
We do need to spend on infrastructure. Our roads and bridges are crumbling and that kind of spending creates jobs and tax revenue.
I just wonder if all these conservatives that are bashing Obama now will admit that they’re wrong if things are better in four years… or will they find some way to credit conservative policy for those (potential) improvements?
tall man: when the Market dropped on 5 November I have a conservative friend who blamed Obama. As if the Dow has been on the rise these last two months!
Tall-
You know what? You’re right, I was wrong about who we would elect, but I obviously grossly over-estimated the intelligence of the electorate. Gerardo and I have had many conversations about the stupidity of people, and this election bore that out.
JP-
Interesting on how everyone described the economy as “roaring” prior to the midterm elections. There were no problems or news items on the economy (lots of stories on the war though- none now that things look better there)- then, once Pelosi and all got in everything went in the crapper.
Hahaha. There’s that humility you’ve become famous for, Nick. Yes, Obama was elected because 63 million people are stupid and only 56 million are smart.
Of course, the logical question is, how many of those 56 million “smart” people voted for Bush twice?
Evidence of the idiocy of at least 71%:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2008/11/11/cbs-poll-71-am
ericans-optimistic-after-obama-win
He has no track record, has done nothing, is not proven in any way, and 71% are optimistic- unreal.
This opinion piece came out today from one of Kerry’s legal team during that race:
http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html
The treatment of Bush from the left HAS been a disgrace. Whether you believe in a higher power, karma, or what ever, there will be some price to pay, somewhere -I hope.
That’s an interesting read, Nick, especially the part about how other countries noted our disloyalty to our leader. Even more noteworthy is that it came from a former Kerry guy.
But what’s most interesting is the fact that Shapiro not only blames Democrats for attacking Bush but also Republicans for abandoning him. I don’t see you calling any of your fellow right-winger’s actions a disgrace, though.
As for the poll, are you really surprised that so many people are optimistic about Obama’s presidency after he ran a campaign that appealed to voters’ optimism? Everyone here understands that he has to deliver now, but my question to you is: are you going to give the guy a chance or are you just going to slam him for the next four years and treat him the same “disgraceful” way that the left has treated Bush? At least Bush had a body of work to judge him on as President. Obama hasn’t even taken office yet and you’re convinced he’ll fail.
So which is it going to be, Nick: patience or hypocrisy?
I’m giving BO the benefit of the doubt. If he governs from more of the center, and if he leaves the pharmaceutical world alone (my bread and butter!) and my taxes don’t go up, and he doesn’t implement insane liberal polices (like forcing lending institutions to make loans to people that will never be able to pay them back), if he doesn’t drastically cut defense (like the nut Carter did), and if he can improve the economy (which doesn’t seem possible with his policies and his indebtedness to unions) I’ll be happy.
Bush was never given a chance from the left- from the outgoing Clinton administration that immaturely took all the “W’s” off the computers, to the liberal media, to Hollywood. He was hammered from the get go and at every turn. I disagreed with plenty of his policies and how he handled things- but I was never disrespectful to him and I always believed he had the country’s interest at heart.
I firmly believe the early going of the war in Iraq was so difficult for the reasons discussed in that article and because he had NO support for the liberal dems that made it even harder to fight that war. Can you imagine if the same thing happened in WWII? We’d either be speaking German or Japanese now– that is unforgivable as far as I’m concerned- Politics were put over our troops- that cannot be condoned.
Republicans abandoned him because they didn’t have the stomach to stand up and fight because they all wanted and want to get re-elected- it’s all despicable, as all politics are.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but I am not optimistic.
Ah, so people that voted for Bush twice are smart and people that voted for Obama are dumb. Yeah, considering our current situation, that makes perfect sense.
This study shows that Republicans used to be the “smarter” party, but that’s changed in a big way in the last eight years.
http://www.halfsigma.com/2006/06/democrats_may_n.html
Let me know if you need any help understanding the results.
Keep saying over and over that he hasn’t done anything, has no track record and is unproven. Maybe someday it will magically become true.
bush was treated badly because he was a terrible president. Even McCain ran away from him.